Good ol' C4786. It warns you whenever a classes name exceeds 255 characters. Templates within templates within... exceed this quite often (as you may have noticed). Microsoft's debugger won't work properly with these classes. Pragma is your friend. Throw this code in before the #includes: #pragma warning (disable: 4786) I generally build my own include file to wrap stl and boost (often a precompiled header). This file ALWAYS disables C4786. Aren't STL compiler messages great? (that would be sarcasm) --Mark Storer Software Engineer Cardiff Software #include <disclaimer> typedef std::disclaimer<Cardiff> Discard;