Process for adding code to boost

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Hughes, James

8 Aug 2007 8 Aug '07

8:04 a.m.

Hello all, I was interested in knowing how to go about presenting new code for addition to boost. I'm not talking about a new library, but extensions to existing ones. For example, I have written some code to allow serialisation of the boost::filesystem::path class (not particularly exciting or complicated, but may be useful to someone), and would like to pass it on. James This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately.

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Tobias Schwinger

8 Aug 8 Aug

2:23 p.m.

Hughes, James wrote:

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Hello all,

I was interested in knowing how to go about presenting new code for addition to boost. I'm not talking about a new library, but extensions to existing ones.

For example, I have written some code to allow serialisation of the boost::filesystem::path class (not particularly exciting or complicated, but may be useful to someone), and would like to pass it on.

In this case I'd post a description to the Developer list http://www.boost.org/more/mailing_lists.htm#main (CCing the authors Beman Dawes and Robert Ramey) with the following subject: [serialization/filesystem] Serialization support for 'path' class and file a Trac feature request with the code as an attachment. http://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ Regards, Tobias

Robert Ramey

3:56 p.m.

The current Vault contains a number of submissions of this nature. Robert Ramey Tobias Schwinger wrote:

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Hughes, James wrote:

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Hello all,

I was interested in knowing how to go about presenting new code for addition to boost. I'm not talking about a new library, but extensions to existing ones.

For example, I have written some code to allow serialisation of the boost::filesystem::path class (not particularly exciting or complicated, but may be useful to someone), and would like to pass it on.

In this case I'd post a description to the Developer list

http://www.boost.org/more/mailing_lists.htm#main

(CCing the authors Beman Dawes and Robert Ramey) with the following subject:

[serialization/filesystem] Serialization support for 'path' class

and file a Trac feature request with the code as an attachment.

http://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/

Regards, Tobias

Hughes, James

4:33 p.m.

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-----Original Message----- From: boost-users-bounces@lists.boost.org [mailto:boost-users-bounces@lists.boost.org] On Behalf Of Robert Ramey Sent: 08 August 2007 16:57 To: boost-users@lists.boost.org Subject: Re: [Boost-users] Process for adding code to boost

The current Vault contains a number of submissions of this nature.

Robert Ramey

Please excuse ignorance, but how do I access/submit to the vault? James

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Tobias Schwinger wrote:

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Hughes, James wrote:

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Hello all,

I was interested in knowing how to go about presenting new code for addition to boost. I'm not talking about a new library, but extensions to existing ones.

For example, I have written some code to allow serialisation of the boost::filesystem::path class (not particularly exciting or complicated, but may be useful to someone), and would like to pass it on.

In this case I'd post a description to the Developer list

http://www.boost.org/more/mailing_lists.htm#main

(CCing the authors Beman Dawes and Robert Ramey) with the following subject:

[serialization/filesystem] Serialization support for 'path' class

and file a Trac feature request with the code as an attachment.

http://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/

Regards, Tobias

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Rene Rivera

6:02 p.m.

Hughes, James wrote:

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[mailto:boost-users-bounces@lists.boost.org] On Behalf Of Robert Ramey

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The current Vault contains a number of submissions of this nature.

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Please excuse ignorance, but how do I access/submit to the vault?

There's a link to it http://boost-consulting.com/vault/ on the Boost home page. -- -- Grafik - Don't Assume Anything -- Redshift Software, Inc. - http://redshift-software.com -- rrivera/acm.org - grafik/redshift-software.com -- 102708583/icq - grafikrobot/aim - grafikrobot/yahoo

Tobias Schwinger

8:02 p.m.

Hughes, James wrote:

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-----Original Message----- From: boost-users-bounces@lists.boost.org [mailto:boost-users-bounces@lists.boost.org] On Behalf Of Robert Ramey Sent: 08 August 2007 16:57 To: boost-users@lists.boost.org Subject: Re: [Boost-users] Process for adding code to boost

The current Vault contains a number of submissions of this nature.

Robert Ramey

Please excuse ignorance, but how do I access/submit to the vault?

Just register an account at http://boost-consulting.com/vault there should be a link to this URL at http://www.boost.org. Regards, Tobias

Jens Seidel

10 Aug 10 Aug

11:32 a.m.

Hi, On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 06:33:49PM +0200, Hughes, James wrote:

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This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately.

such text should definitely be avoided on each mailing list. Don't find any excuses such that your MTA adds this, just *don't* send such mails! I'm now in big trouble because of this. A friend of me who isn't subscribed to this list read parts of this email (he stood behind me). What now? Should I beat him down in the hope he forgets about it, should I send you his name and address so you can sue him? To all: Please ignore all such postings. Even better, ask the list master to unsubscribe such persons! PS: Could someone please extent http://www.boost.org/more/discussion_policy.htm to cover this? Thanks, Jens

Hughes, James

1:24 p.m.

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Hi,

On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 06:33:49PM +0200, Hughes, James wrote:

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This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately.

such text should definitely be avoided on each mailing list. Don't find any excuses such that your MTA adds this, just *don't* send such mails!

I'm now in big trouble because of this. A friend of me who isn't subscribed to this list read parts of this email (he stood behind me). What now? Should I beat him down in the hope he forgets about it, should I send you his name and address so you can sue him?

To all: Please ignore all such postings. Even better, ask the list master to unsubscribe such persons!

PS: Could someone please extent http://www.boost.org/more/discussion_policy.htm to cover this?

Thanks, Jens

I have had this discussion with other mailing lists. It is a breach of my working contract to remove any added signature lines and can result in my employment being terminated. I have stated to our IT depertment that this is an issue, and they say there is nothing they can do. You are quite welcome to write to them to say how stupid it is (I already know, but I cannot do anything about it), and also to Danaher's IT support, the company that owns the company I work for and runs the IT systems. I could use a web based email system, but that is again against my terms on employment, and its basically a PITA to do that. Are you therefore suggesting that I am not to send any emails to mailing lists at all? I suggest that you (since you are the ONLY complainant) ignore the added clause as its not worth the ether it is written on. And thank for being the first to complain on the Boost list. Hurray for you. Now get off my back, or I will ask for YOU to be unsubscribed. Isn't it rather sad that the first time I offer to add code to boost, I get a offensive reply like this? I would ask the list owners to just be sensible. Most emails nowadays are sent with these nonsense lines at the end (although this is one of the worst), and they are almost exclusively ignored, because they are in general unenforceable. James

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Anthony Williams

2:15 p.m.

"Hughes, James" writes:

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Hi,

On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 06:33:49PM +0200, Hughes, James wrote:

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This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately.

such text should definitely be avoided on each mailing list. Don't find any excuses such that your MTA adds this, just *don't* send such mails!

I'm now in big trouble because of this. A friend of me who isn't subscribed to this list read parts of this email (he stood behind me). What now? Should I beat him down in the hope he forgets about it, should I send you his name and address so you can sue him?

To all: Please ignore all such postings. Even better, ask the list master to unsubscribe such persons!

PS: Could someone please extent http://www.boost.org/more/discussion_policy.htm to cover this?

Thanks, Jens

I have had this discussion with other mailing lists. It is a breach of my working contract to remove any added signature lines and can result in my employment being terminated. I have stated to our IT depertment that this is an issue, and they say there is nothing they can do. You are quite welcome to write to them to say how stupid it is (I already know, but I cannot do anything about it), and also to Danaher's IT support, the company that owns the company I work for and runs the IT systems.

One of the other mailing lists I'm on automatically removes such trailers if the person sending writes "--LongSig" on a line on its own --- everything after the --LongSig identifier is removed. Maybe such a facility could be added to the boost mail server. Anthony -- Anthony Williams Just Software Solutions Ltd - http://www.justsoftwaresolutions.co.uk Registered in England, Company Number 5478976. Registered Office: 15 Carrallack Mews, St Just, Cornwall, TR19 7UL

Hughes, James

4:12 p.m.

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-----Original Message----- From: boost-users-bounces@lists.boost.org [mailto:boost-users-bounces@lists.boost.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Williams Sent: 10 August 2007 15:15 To: boost-users@lists.boost.org Subject: Re: [Boost-users] Process for adding code to boost

"Hughes, James" writes:

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Hi,

On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 06:33:49PM +0200, Hughes, James wrote:

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This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately.

such text should definitely be avoided on each mailing list. Don't find any excuses such that your MTA adds this, just *don't* send such mails!

I'm now in big trouble because of this. A friend of me who isn't subscribed to this list read parts of this email (he stood behind me). What now? Should I beat him down in the hope he forgets about it, should I send you his name and address so you can sue him?

To all: Please ignore all such postings. Even better, ask the list master to unsubscribe such persons!

PS: Could someone please extent http://www.boost.org/more/discussion_policy.htm to cover this?

Thanks, Jens

I have had this discussion with other mailing lists. It is a breach of my working contract to remove any added signature lines and can result in my employment being terminated. I have stated to our IT depertment that this is an issue, and they say there is nothing they can do. You are quite welcome to write to them to say how stupid it is (I already know, but I cannot do anything about it), and also to Danaher's IT support, the company that owns the company I work for and runs the IT systems.

One of the other mailing lists I'm on automatically removes such trailers if the person sending writes "--LongSig" on a line on its own --- everything after the --LongSig identifier is removed. Maybe such a facility could be added to the boost mail server.

I'm (and I expect many others) would be happy to do that.

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Anthony -- Anthony Williams Just Software Solutions Ltd - http://www.justsoftwaresolutions.co.uk Registered in England, Company Number 5478976. Registered Office: 15 Carrallack Mews, St Just, Cornwall, TR19 7UL

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Rene Rivera

3:23 p.m.

Hughes, James wrote: [...] Yep :-) I've grown accustomed to ignore all these legal claims.

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I could use a web based email system, but that is again against my terms on employment, and its basically a PITA to do that. Are you therefore suggesting that I am not to send any emails to mailing lists at all?

For most people stuck with suck employer procedures there is an easy solution, get a Gmail account. You can check it with POP and send with SMTP like regular email. Or use the gmane.org news gateway, which also avoids going through your employers server. -- -- Grafik - Don't Assume Anything -- Redshift Software, Inc. - http://redshift-software.com -- rrivera/acm.org - grafik/redshift-software.com -- 102708583/icq - grafikrobot/aim - grafikrobot/yahoo

Hughes, James

4:06 p.m.

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-----Original Message----- From: boost-users-bounces@lists.boost.org [mailto:boost-users-bounces@lists.boost.org] On Behalf Of Rene Rivera Sent: 10 August 2007 16:23 To: boost-users@lists.boost.org Subject: Re: [Boost-users] Process for adding code to boost

Hughes, James wrote:

[...] Yep :-) I've grown accustomed to ignore all these legal claims.

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I could use a web based email system, but that is again against my terms on employment, and its basically a PITA to do that. Are you therefore suggesting that I am not to send any emails to mailing lists at all?

For most people stuck with suck employer procedures there is an easy solution, get a Gmail account. You can check it with POP and send with SMTP like regular email. Or use the gmane.org news gateway, which also avoids going through your employers server.

If only our corporate firewall would allow it, that would be fine - you be amazed what we cannot do (FTP is one that springs to mind) James

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-- -- Grafik - Don't Assume Anything -- Redshift Software, Inc. - http://redshift-software.com -- rrivera/acm.org - grafik/redshift-software.com -- 102708583/icq - grafikrobot/aim - grafikrobot/yahoo

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KSpam

3:48 p.m.

James,

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I could use a web based email system, but that is again against my terms on employment, and its basically a PITA to do that. Are you therefore suggesting that I am not to send any emails to mailing lists at all?

Posting from home is never against terms of employment. I understand that this is a royal PITA (and makes for much longer turn-around times). Unfortunately, legalese tends to erode our freedoms.

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I suggest that you (since you are the ONLY complainant) ignore the added clause as its not worth the ether it is written on.

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And thank for being the first to complain on the Boost list. Hurray for you. Now get off my back, or I will ask for YOU to be unsubscribed. Isn't it rather sad that the first time I offer to add code to boost, I get a offensive reply like this?

In doing a search through the threads, I can see that you are not the first to post with a disclaimer. Additionally, I can see that this was not the first complaint either. I believe that it is generally a justified complaint, as such a disclaimer could potentially open up users to legal action. I would be especially concerned if I worked for a competitor of your company. I agree that a threat to ignore your messages or unsubscribe you was not justified. I also believe that your threat to unsubscribe another user was unjustified. As a Boost user, I appreciate all code submissions. Unfortunately, since you are posting from work, I can only expect that your submission is proprietary to your employer. If this is the case, please do not submit your code.

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I would ask the list owners to just be sensible. Most emails nowadays are sent with these nonsense lines at the end (although this is one of the worst), and they are almost exclusively ignored, because they are in general unenforceable.

Some sense is required by all of us. AFAICT, the list owners are being sensible, as they allow you to post. I would not go so far as to say the disclaimer is unenforceable ... it is pretty amazing what lawyers can do in a court room these days ... Just My Humble Opinion, Justin P.S. I am not a lawyer.

Hughes, James

4:15 p.m.

Some interesting replies, thanks for those. Also an interesting point on code submissions of code developed at work. Currently we develop on Linux, and much of our code will be released under GPL, but I don't think that relevant here. The code I would like to submit is based on boost code already, so is therefore subject to the boost licence, so I think I am able to submit it. But I will check with our legal bods on that one. I could, of course, send it from home under a pseudonym as no-one would ever ever know. As to the disclaimer, I have just re-read it, and as I read it (am I am not a lawyer either, or I wouldn't be posting anyway!!), and it says the mail is intended for the addressee only - since I am posting to a mailing list I know the addressee is everyone attached to that list, thereby giving implicit permission for it to be read by anyone on the list, and also giving authorisation to all addressees to do as they want with it. At least, that's my reading. I just wish it wasn't there in the first place. James <big snip> And just on the offchance. --longsig This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately.

David Abrahams

10:07 p.m.

on Fri Aug 10 2007, Jens Seidel wrote:

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Hi,

On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 06:33:49PM +0200, Hughes, James wrote:

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This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately.

such text should definitely be avoided on each mailing list. Don't find any excuses such that your MTA adds this, just *don't* send such mails!

I'm now in big trouble because of this. A friend of me who isn't subscribed to this list read parts of this email (he stood behind me). What now? Should I beat him down in the hope he forgets about it, should I send you his name and address so you can sue him?

To all: Please ignore all such postings. Even better, ask the list master to unsubscribe such persons!

PS: Could someone please extent http://www.boost.org/more/discussion_policy.htm to cover this?

I don't think this is important enough to make a policy about. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com The Astoria Seminar ==> http://www.astoriaseminar.com

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