RE: [Boost-Users] Re: boost vs. The Lawyers (non-technical)
Each Boost library has its own license that _must_ meet those requirements. Of course, that won't satisfy the lawyers, so you'll probably have to send
That would be helpful. Some of my colleagues have had
terribly frustrating experiences trying to get our lawyers to
approve the use of various boost libraries. The lawyers don't seem
to like the idea of going into every source file to read a license
agreement.
-elliot
-----Original Message-----
From: James Curran/MVP [mailto:jamescurran@mvps.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:58 AM
To: boost-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Boost-Users] Re: boost vs. The Lawyers (non-technical)
"Douglas Gregor"
the individual library licenses for approval.
We really could do much better in this area: at the very least, we could provide a comprehensive list of the licenses for each library.
Perhaps we should add to our "standard" a requirement that a printable license page by included with each libraries' documentation (with one or more "fill-in-the-blank" templates/samples available on www.boost.org) -- Truth, James Curran www.NovelTheory.com (Personal) www.NJTheater.com (Professional) www.aurora-inc.com (Day job) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Info: http://www.boost.org Wiki: http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/cgi-bin/boost_wiki/wiki.pl Unsubscribe: mailto:boost-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Each Boost library has its own license that _must_ meet those requirements. Of course, that won't satisfy the lawyers, so you'll probably have to send
My company's lawyer did go through every file, and I had meant to bring this
issue up sooner. Boost should be something that I, as a developer for a
company, can recognize as something useful and should be able to incorporate
it without too much hindrance. In truth, it was quite difficult and took a
long time. The only difficulty was the license. Some blanket license, as a
text file with the release, would aid greatly in convincing lawyer-types
that it's safe to use.
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Elliot Murphy [mailto:elliot.murphy@veritas.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:11 PM
To: 'Boost-Users@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Boost-Users] Re: boost vs. The Lawyers (non-technical)
That would be helpful. Some of my colleagues have had
terribly frustrating experiences trying to get our lawyers to
approve the use of various boost libraries. The lawyers don't seem
to like the idea of going into every source file to read a license
agreement.
-elliot
-----Original Message-----
From: James Curran/MVP [mailto:jamescurran@mvps.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:58 AM
To: boost-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Boost-Users] Re: boost vs. The Lawyers (non-technical)
"Douglas Gregor"
the individual library licenses for approval.
We really could do much better in this area: at the very least, we could provide a comprehensive list of the licenses for each library.
Perhaps we should add to our "standard" a requirement that a printable license page by included with each libraries' documentation (with one or more "fill-in-the-blank" templates/samples available on www.boost.org) -- Truth, James Curran www.NovelTheory.com (Personal) www.NJTheater.com (Professional) www.aurora-inc.com (Day job) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Info: http://www.boost.org Wiki: http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/cgi-bin/boost_wiki/wiki.pl Unsubscribe: mailto:boost-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Info: http://www.boost.org Wiki: http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/cgi-bin/boost_wiki/wiki.pl Unsubscribe: mailto:boost-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
My company's lawyer did go through every file, and I had meant to bring
From: "Jeff Faust"
issue up sooner. Boost should be something that I, as a developer for a company, can recognize as something useful and should be able to incorporate it without too much hindrance. In truth, it was quite difficult and took a long time. The only difficulty was the license. Some blanket license, as a text file with the release, would aid greatly in convincing lawyer-types that it's safe to use.
From: Elliot Murphy [mailto:elliot.murphy@veritas.com] That would be helpful. Some of my colleagues have had terribly frustrating experiences trying to get our lawyers to approve the use of various boost libraries. The lawyers don't seem to like the idea of going into every source file to read a license agreement.
IANAL, but it seems to me that a blanket license in a text file would have no legal value if the actual source files say something different; therefore, it is the lawyers' job to go into every source file anyway, to be on the safe side (applies to any library, not just Boost.) I think.
My company's lawyer did go through every file, and I had meant to bring
And what about new releases? It seems like you'd have to examine every file
again. I don't know all the legal issues involved, but I think a blanket
license could work if handled correctly. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but
it would make life easier, and would remove a major cost of using this free
library.
Would it be worth going through the channels here and finding out what my
company's lawyer would be satisfied with? I think he'd be perfectly willing
to give some advice. After all, he's already gone through the files once,
and with 1.29 just around the corner...
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Dimov [mailto:pdimov@mmltd.net]
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:19 AM
To: Boost-Users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Boost-Users] Re: boost vs. The Lawyers (non-technical)
From: "Jeff Faust"
issue up sooner. Boost should be something that I, as a developer for a company, can recognize as something useful and should be able to incorporate it without too much hindrance. In truth, it was quite difficult and took a long time. The only difficulty was the license. Some blanket license, as a text file with the release, would aid greatly in convincing lawyer-types that it's safe to use.
From: Elliot Murphy [mailto:elliot.murphy@veritas.com] That would be helpful. Some of my colleagues have had terribly frustrating experiences trying to get our lawyers to approve the use of various boost libraries. The lawyers don't seem to like the idea of going into every source file to read a license agreement.
IANAL, but it seems to me that a blanket license in a text file would have no legal value if the actual source files say something different; therefore, it is the lawyers' job to go into every source file anyway, to be on the safe side (applies to any library, not just Boost.) I think. Info: http://www.boost.org Wiki: http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/cgi-bin/boost_wiki/wiki.pl Unsubscribe: mailto:boost-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
At 11:31 AM 10/11/2002, Jeff Faust wrote:
And what about new releases? It seems like you'd have to examine every file again. I don't know all the legal issues involved, but I think a blanket license could work if handled correctly. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but it would make life easier, and would remove a major cost of using this free library.
Would it be worth going through the channels here and finding out what my company's lawyer would be satisfied with? I think he'd be perfectly willing to give some advice. After all, he's already gone through the files once, and with 1.29 just around the corner...
Won't hurt to ask. It is too late for 1.29.0, but we definitely would like to improved the situation for users (and their lawyers). --Beman
At 10:54 AM 10/11/2002, Jeff Faust wrote:
My company's lawyer did go through every file, and I had meant to bring this issue up sooner. Boost should be something that I, as a developer for a company, can recognize as something useful and should be able to incorporate it without too much hindrance. In truth, it was quite difficult and took a long time. The only difficulty was the license. Some blanket license, as a text file with the release, would aid greatly in convincing lawyer-types that it's safe to use.
This is all understood, but it isn't entirely easy to do. There are several problems, including: * Some Boost contributors have their own legal needs and require a separate license. * Boost contributors come from a number of countries, an what is a valid license for some many not be advisable or correct for others. * We need an IP lawyer to help with some of the issues, but don't have one and don't have any money to pay one. (Boost has a budget of exactly zero. At least the books are always in balance, except that there aren't any books, either.) If anyone has any suggestions for dealing with the last issue, please let me know. --Beman
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Beman Dawes
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Elliot Murphy
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Jeff Faust
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Peter Dimov