The new website and documentation are provided under the BSL, and the source repositories have been transferred to the Boost GitHub organization: https://github.com/boostorg/website-v2 https://github.com/boostorg/website-v2-docs While we sort out the unresolved issues related to the licensing of artwork and logo, the new website has moved to this temporary location for now: https://boost.io Please continue to experience, enjoy, and most importantly test the new website. A gentle reminder: it is not “finished” and likely will not be “perfect” for a while. The launch of the new website is the beginning of the journey rather than the end. Issues opened here will be acted upon by our dedicated website development team: https://github.com/boostorg/website-v2/issues For documentation-related issues, please open and monitor issues here: https://github.com/boostorg/website-v2-docs/issues Pull requests are always welcomed! Thanks
On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 3:55 PM Vinnie Falco via Boost < boost@lists.boost.org> wrote:
While we sort out the unresolved issues related to the licensing of artwork and logo, the new website has moved to this temporary location for now: https://boost.io
(the opinions below are my own; I'm not speaking for the whole boost board) I'm sorry Vinnie, but I don't think you understand the extent of the broken trust between you and the board. It's too bad. I thought you had a good thing going, but you messed it up. You want to own boost.org[1], you want to own the boost website, you want to own the boost logo, and you want to own the boost mailing list. The answer is no, no, no, and no. If you decide to close shop and spend your money elsewhere, Boost will go on just fine. I'm committed to make sure that will always be the case, not just for you but for any single individual. *Boost is not for sale*. boost.io is an illegitimate imposter boost.org site and should be taken down or, at the very least, clearly state that it is *not* the official boost website. The board will meet to discuss this debacle in mid-March. -- David Sankel, Boost Board Chair [1] Your so-called "transparency report" failed to mention your aborted attempt to buy boost.org from the boost board as if the board would ever sell it for any price.
This is an overly negative reaction towards someone who has helped Boost tremendously through both individual contributions and enabling others to do the same. I don't see why ill intent is being assumed here. If there are concerns about ownership of individual components of the website, the Foundation should just have a grown-up discussion with the Alliance and the Boost community to address said concerns. Ultimately, Boost is in dire need of a new website, and nobody else has stepped up to address the status quo. These are positive and significant efforts that should not be discouraged and especially not completely discarded on a whim.
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 1:05 PM Janko Dedic via Boost
This is an overly negative reaction towards someone who has helped Boost tremendously through both individual contributions and enabling others to do the same. I don't see why ill intent is being assumed here. If there are concerns about ownership of individual components of the website, the Foundation should just have a grown-up discussion with the Alliance and the Boost community to address said concerns. Ultimately, Boost is in dire need of a new website, and nobody else has stepped up to address the status quo. These are positive and significant efforts that should not be discouraged and especially not completely discarded on a whim.
This is no whim. The Boost Foundation has had several meetings with the C++ Alliance. We were close to letting them go forward with the promise they'd handle the copyright and ownership that we'd agreed upon. They suddenly canceled our next meeting and then announced on the mailing list that they had never said such things. These are all documented, by the way. Like I said, there was a major breech of trust and this is not the first issue we've had. However, I hope it will be the last. I agree that Boost is in dire need of a website, but working with Vinnie is not a safe way to get it. We can easily hire a consultant to do a refresh. Vinnie's intent to Pwn boost is transparent now and it would be a terrible thing for Boost were it to pass.
El 23/02/2024 a las 19:05, Janko Dedic via Boost escribió:
This is an overly negative reaction towards someone who has helped Boost tremendously through both individual contributions and enabling others to do the same. I don't see why ill intent is being assumed here. If there are concerns about ownership of individual components of the website, the Foundation should just have a grown-up discussion with the Alliance and the Boost community to address said concerns. Ultimately, Boost is in dire need of a new website, and nobody else has stepped up to address the status quo. These are positive and significant efforts that should not be discouraged and especially not completely discarded on a whim.
I agree, let's calm down a bit. Following the Boost tradition we can ask Cpp Alliance to put a "Boost Website Candidate" sticker in the new website until we polish it and agree in the mailing list that the website is mature enough to replace the old site. Best, Ion
On 2/29/24 23:17, Ion Gaztañaga via Boost wrote:
Following the Boost tradition we can ask Cpp Alliance to put a "Boost Website Candidate" sticker in the new website until we polish it and agree in the mailing list that the website is mature enough to replace the old site.
I agree that until the new website is accepted as the new official Boost website, it should clearly state that it is a *proposed* or *unofficial* website to avoid confusion on the users' side. I also think the transition under boostorg was premature. It should have only happened after the legal issues have been settled between The C++ Alliance and Boost Foundation. I think Boost Foundation (or perhaps its members) is acting inconsistently on this issue. I realize different Boost Foundation members may have different opinions on this matter, but the Foundation must still act as a single body, based on internal procedures for making decisions like this. I'd like to ask Boost Foundation to make an official announcement here on the decision regarding the proposed new website, when that decision is made and the formal agreement with The C++ Alliance is reached, and then act accordingly.
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On 23 Feb 2024, at 16:25, David Sankel via Boost
wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 3:55 PM Vinnie Falco via Boost < boost@lists.boost.org> wrote:
While we sort out the unresolved issues related to the licensing of artwork and logo, the new website has moved to this temporary location for now: https://boost.io
(the opinions below are my own; I'm not speaking for the whole boost board)
I'm sorry Vinnie, but I don't think you understand the extent of the broken trust between you and the board. It's too bad. I thought you had a good thing going, but you messed it up.
This kind of messaging is most unwelcome and reflects poorly on the Board of the Boost Foundation. The phrase “no good deed goes unpunished” springs to mind. My experience with the C++ Alliance in general, and Vinnie in particular is that the firm operates with the best of intentions for the C++ language and boost libraries. There is no agenda for control or financial gain. This might be difficult to understand at first as many of us are accustomed to an uncompromising world populated by selfish and greedy people. I am sure that any difference of view is unintentional. And thank goodness that *someone is doing something*. It seems to me that some self reflection is in order.
You want to own boost.org[1], you want to own the boost website, you want to own the boost logo, and you want to own the boost mailing list. The answer is no, no, no, and no. If you decide to close shop and spend your money elsewhere, Boost will go on just fine. I'm committed to make sure that will always be the case, not just for you but for any single individual. *Boost is not for sale*.
boost.io is an illegitimate imposter boost.org site and should be taken down or, at the very least, clearly state that it is *not* the official boost website. The board will meet to discuss this debacle in mid-March.
-- David Sankel, Boost Board Chair
[1] Your so-called "transparency report" failed to mention your aborted attempt to buy boost.org from the boost board as if the board would ever sell it for any price.
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Andrey Semashev
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David Sankel
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Ion Gaztañaga
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Janko Dedic
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Richard Hodges
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Vinnie Falco