Niall Douglas wrote

We heard back. Google's explanation is simply that they like to give a year off to particularly successful and long running GSoC orgs in order to make space for new orgs, and they hope we apply again next year.

To say I found this explanation jaw dropping would be putting it mildly, but there you go.

We've asked if they would have any issue with us running the Summer of Code in 2016 out of Boost monies. If they don't, we'll send a petition to your good selves at the Steering Committee, and go from there.

I would expect potentially half our students won't be interested this year as they are really seeking Google Summer of Code for their resumes, however for those who really genuinely want to work in the Boost libraries I expect they may be as keen as ever.

So I guess watch this space!

Niall

That's a sad news and Boost being a successful GSoC org is a really poor excuse for that decision.. However, I think I'll keep working on fixing and improving Boost.Compute anyway, in my free time. I'm waiting for more information regarding "running the Summer of Code in 2016 out of Boost monies". Thanks to everybody who worked on Boost GSoC application etc. -- View this message in context: http://boost.2283326.n4.nabble.com/gsoc16-Boost-rejected-as-GSoC-2016-org-tp... Sent from the Boost - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

2016-03-01 7:04 GMT-03:00 David Bellot :

Strange argument because Apache, Debian, Fedora, Gnome, GNU, KDE, LibreOffice, Mozilla, Python, R, X, etc.... They all have been accepted !

They have been accepted **this** year. Did this happened every year? Maybe last year one of them was in the place where Boost is now. Or maybe they'll be in this place next year. -- Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira https://about.me/vinipsmaker

Mozilla was not selected for Google summer of Code 2015 Pratik Singhal On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira < vini.ipsmaker@gmail.com> wrote:

2016-03-01 7:04 GMT-03:00 David Bellot :

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Strange argument because Apache, Debian, Fedora, Gnome, GNU, KDE, LibreOffice, Mozilla, Python, R, X, etc.... They all have been accepted !

They have been accepted **this** year. Did this happened every year? Maybe last year one of them was in the place where Boost is now. Or maybe they'll be in this place next year.

-- Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira https://about.me/vinipsmaker

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On 1 Mar 2016 at 12:13, Andreas Schäfer wrote:

IIRC last year Mozilla and the Linux Foundation were rejected. There's really nothing jaw dropping or outrageous about it.

It is deeply disappointing for those students and mentors affected. It is highly disruptive to the pipeline we are running, and is not a case of simply pressing Pause on GSoC for a year. Many if not most of our students are postgrads, and next year they will no longer be eligible for GSoC.

For a small org two slots can make a huge difference, for larger orgs not being accepted will generally not endanger the project itself. Google is simply trying to put the money where it has the biggest impact. I think that's a good thing.

Please take your trolling elsewhere. Nobody here appreciates it. Niall --- Boost C++ Libraries Google Summer of Code 2016 admin https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/wiki/SoC2016

On March 1, 2016 2:19:44 PM EST, Stefan Seefeld wrote:

Niall,

let me start by stressing how much I appreciate all you are doing for Boost, and the GSoC administration in particular.

+1

However...

On 01.03.2016 14:07, Niall Douglas wrote:

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On 1 Mar 2016 at 12:13, Andreas Schäfer wrote:

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IIRC last year Mozilla and the Linux Foundation were rejected. There's really nothing jaw dropping or outrageous about it. It is deeply disappointing for those students and mentors affected. It is highly disruptive to the pipeline we are running, and is not a case of simply pressing Pause on GSoC for a year. Many if not most of our students are postgrads, and next year they will no longer be eligible for GSoC.

Excellent points.

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For a small org two slots can make a huge difference, for larger orgs not being accepted will generally not endanger the project itself. Google is simply trying to put the money where it has the biggest impact. I think that's a good thing. Please take your trolling elsewhere. Nobody here appreciates it.

...I find the above rather rude.

I found it very rude and quite unnecessary. ___ Rob (Sent from my portable computation engine)

On 03/01/2016 02:07 PM, Niall Douglas wrote:

On 1 Mar 2016 at 12:13, Andreas Schäfer wrote:

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IIRC last year Mozilla and the Linux Foundation were rejected. There's really nothing jaw dropping or outrageous about it.

It is deeply disappointing for those students and mentors affected. It is highly disruptive to the pipeline we are running, and is not a case of simply pressing Pause on GSoC for a year. Many if not most of our students are postgrads, and next year they will no longer be eligible for GSoC.

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For a small org two slots can make a huge difference, for larger orgs not being accepted will generally not endanger the project itself. Google is simply trying to put the money where it has the biggest impact. I think that's a good thing.

Please take your trolling elsewhere. Nobody here appreciates it.

Please stop accusing people of "trolling" who make the most reasonable comments about things related to Boost. You have mistakenly done this in the past and I really wish you would desist from doing this in the future. If you do not like someone's comments just do not respond to them.

On 19:07 Tue 01 Mar , Niall Douglas wrote:

On 1 Mar 2016 at 12:13, Andreas Schäfer wrote:

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IIRC last year Mozilla and the Linux Foundation were rejected. There's really nothing jaw dropping or outrageous about it.

It is deeply disappointing for those students and mentors affected. It is highly disruptive to the pipeline we are running, and is not a case of simply pressing Pause on GSoC for a year.

Looks like this is a case of mismatched expectations. I don't think it's healthy to build a pipeline on GSoC since it is, as we can see now, not a budget you can count on.

Many if not most of our students are postgrads, and next year they will no longer be eligible for GSoC.

Well? Next year there will be other students. That's the point of GSoC, right? To get fresh students interested in open source.

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For a small org two slots can make a huge difference, for larger orgs not being accepted will generally not endanger the project itself. Google is simply trying to put the money where it has the biggest impact. I think that's a good thing.

Please take your trolling elsewhere. Nobody here appreciates it.

Niall, I assure you I'm certainly not trolling nor trying to aggravate anyone. I'm merely trying to offer an explanation for why it might be sensible to spread the funds, based on my own experience with GSoC. To give an example: I'm working with the STE||AR Group. Two years ago we were accepted for the first time and were allocated three slots. Doesn't seem to be much, but it made a huge difference for us, and me personally. In fact, the code that Christopher Bross wrote for me during GSoC 2014 became the basis for half a dozen further student projects and even my own, current research. I am extremely grateful for this opportunity I was presented with. The impact is different if a software project is already well established and is attracting lots of contributors beyond of GSoC. Nevertheless, I understand everyone affected by Boost being excluded this year is disappointed. That's perfectly reasonable. I can sympathise with both sides. BTW: one of my own project ideas for this year is related to Boost[1], and I'm sure there are other proposals like this. So in the long run Boost might benefit from GSoC'16 nevertheless? I for one sure hope so. Cheers -Andreas [1] https://github.com/STEllAR-GROUP/hpx/wiki/GSoC-2016-Project-Ideas#extensione... -- ========================================================== Andreas Schäfer HPC and Grid Computing Department of Computer Science 3 Friedrich-Alexander-Universität Erlangen-Nürnberg, Germany +49 9131 85-27910 PGP/GPG key via keyserver http://www.libgeodecomp.org ========================================================== (\___/) (+'.'+) (")_(") This is Bunny. Copy and paste Bunny into your signature to help him gain world domination!

On 2 Mar 2016 at 0:02, Andreas Schäfer wrote:

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Please take your trolling elsewhere. Nobody here appreciates it.

Niall, I assure you I'm certainly not trolling nor trying to aggravate anyone. I'm merely trying to offer an explanation for why it might be sensible to spread the funds, based on my own experience with GSoC.

Thanks for the clarification, and had you explained yourself more clearly the first time you would not have been told to shove off. The way I read it was as if you arrived at a funeral and declared to everybody present "it's good this person died, it makes space for new people to replace them". That wouldn't be on at a funeral, and it wouldn't be on in a reply on this thread, even in the objective widest sense it is true and would otherwise find general agreement in sentiment. I bit harder than usual mainly because of our past interactions where you have repeatedly voiced unhelpful, damaging and inappropriate observations, none of which resulted in positive outcomes between us, and anything you or your cadres write I expect by default now to have the worst possible meaning because well, that's where our past interactions have rationally brought us to. I actively avoid any interaction with any of the Hartmut posse wherever possible, there is little more I can actively do on that so long you as a group continue to behave the way you do as a group which I find as appalling as I'm sure my behaviour is to you. It is at where it's at. We press onwards, and hopefully upwards. Niall -- ned Productions Limited Consulting http://www.nedproductions.biz/ http://ie.linkedin.com/in/nialldouglas/

Niall- some day we should have a beer together, or a Whiskey, or a glass of milk. To get past this. On 16:53 Wed 02 Mar , Niall Douglas wrote:

On 2 Mar 2016 at 0:02, Andreas Schäfer wrote:

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Please take your trolling elsewhere. Nobody here appreciates it.

Niall, I assure you I'm certainly not trolling nor trying to aggravate anyone. I'm merely trying to offer an explanation for why it might be sensible to spread the funds, based on my own experience with GSoC.

Thanks for the clarification, and had you explained yourself more clearly the first time you would not have been told to shove off. The way I read it was as if you arrived at a funeral and declared to everybody present "it's good this person died, it makes space for new people to replace them". That wouldn't be on at a funeral, and it wouldn't be on in a reply on this thread, even in the objective widest sense it is true and would otherwise find general agreement in sentiment.

Funeral? Hey, let's not resurrect the infamous "Is Boost dead?" thread, ok? ;-) Yes, this is me kidding, trying to lighten the mood.

I bit harder than usual mainly because of our past interactions where you have repeatedly voiced unhelpful, damaging and inappropriate observations, none of which resulted in positive outcomes between us, and anything you or your cadres write I expect by default now to have the worst possible meaning because well, that's where our past interactions have rationally brought us to. I actively avoid any interaction with any of the Hartmut posse wherever possible, there is little more I can actively do on that so long you as a group continue to behave the way you do as a group which I find as appalling as I'm sure my behaviour is to you.

Appaling? No, that's certainly not what I feel. It's rather compassion, actually. I realize now that you still believe there was a "vendetta" being led against you and that there was even a "cadre" cooperating on this. None of this is true. I and others said this repeatedly before, so I have little hope you'll believe me this time, but consider this: cui bono? I, for one, do not enjoy such situations. Cheers -Andreas -- ========================================================== Andreas Schäfer HPC and Grid Computing Department of Computer Science 3 Friedrich-Alexander-Universität Erlangen-Nürnberg, Germany +49 9131 85-27910 PGP/GPG key via keyserver http://www.libgeodecomp.org ========================================================== (\___/) (+'.'+) (")_(") This is Bunny. Copy and paste Bunny into your signature to help him gain world domination!

That's definitely a sad news. But seriously, is there any other organization that has contributed to the development of C++ as a really versatile language than boost ! On Tue, Mar 1, 2016, 4:46 PM Mario Mulansky wrote:

On Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:04:34 AM David Bellot wrote:

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We heard back. Google's explanation is simply that they like to give a year off to particularly successful and long running GSoC orgs in order to make space for new orgs, and they hope we apply again next year.

Strange argument because Apache, Debian, Fedora, Gnome, GNU, KDE, LibreOffice, Mozilla, Python, R, X, etc.... They all have been accepted ! What's wrong with us ?

To be fair, those orgs are quite a bit larger than us. I just checked this for Python [1], which is an umbrella org for 5 suborgs each offering ~5 GSoC project. I guess this might look similar for the others in your list above so I don't really think boost compares to those.

Nevertheless, this is a big disappointment for us. I think boost had good project ideas again and I saw similar GSoC related activity on the mailing list as for previous years. With odeint, we had two very promising looking students in line, and I think this is also the case with the other projects. Anyhow, there is nothing we can do I suppose, and we will have to give it another try next year!

[1] https://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode/2016

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On 09:26 Tue 01 Mar , Robert Ramey wrote:

well, they could have mentioned this before boost went to the effort!!!

Very cheesy and unprofessional.

I doubt there was a list of not-to-be-accepted orgs before the applications were made. Cheers -Andreas -- ========================================================== Andreas Schäfer HPC and Grid Computing Department of Computer Science 3 Friedrich-Alexander-Universität Erlangen-Nürnberg, Germany +49 9131 85-27910 PGP/GPG key via keyserver http://www.libgeodecomp.org ========================================================== (\___/) (+'.'+) (")_(") This is Bunny. Copy and paste Bunny into your signature to help him gain world domination!